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[quote=”HalM3″ post=1656]This club is quick to discount the amount of talent in the bay when it come to making the club better.[/quote]
Come talk to me Hal with your suggestions, we are taking time to respond to the forums aren’t we? I don’t recall any of our past conversations resulting in a quick dismissal. You and Diane have always been happy and excited when I’ve talked to you both.We are all here trying to make this club better. “Better” does not just mean “faster courses”. Unless folks want to become co-coordinator and receive actual responsibilities, active participation helps the club most: volunteer some time to set up the course, pack up, design a course, train the course workers, register people, coach people, talk to newbies, run the timer/computer, take pictures, post tips, research better technologies, inspect helmets, tech cars or just ask (as many already have) “is there anything I can do to help?” This results in smoother operations, a welcoming club to all makes, friendly competition, newbies learning a lot, people having fun and socializing = better. The charter Jeff posts also says a lot about the main goal of this club (social, education, safety).
Thankfully many regulars do this every autocross and have been the biggest help (THANK YOU Ryan, Eric, Mike, Stephenx2, Daniella, Diane, Mark, Davex2, Timx2, Brian, Rodger, Praniel, Napua, James, Rob, Matt, JeffC, Ratko, Brad, Christian, Cliff, Paul, Chiu, Frank, and many many others I’m forgetting) Hal and Charlie, you’ve been very helpful in the past as well.
Sure, nothing stopping anyone from sending us a suggested course design. It’d have to pass Dave and Jeff’s review for safety because we are ultimately responsible for that. Post it here even if you’d like. Justin, you should design one too and post it.
Sorry Charlie, I didn’t mean “you” specifically were ripping on the course, you’ve only been to one event so far and I didn’t even get a chance to talk with you. I meant “if you (people) are not positive, then very unlikely will be good coaches”. I’ve heard from Jeff you are a great coach!
Again, I agree on the less cone approach, it would be great if you help set up the course to show us how.
I agree with you on all the cone placement advice, we should do more with less cones for sure. We even have line chalk if we want to try that out.
Without going into detail, you still have no idea how much scrutiny we are under, specifically our club, and I don’t expect you to know or make guesses; so if you’d like to know more, come talk to me in person. Good course design has very much to do with safety of workers and spectators. And lost people don’t always go slow, I’ve seen someone blow through a wall quite fast just two months ago. Nothing SCCA does has anything to do with how our national chapter manages our club and our insurance.
New people eventually (and recently) have become coaches voluntarily, and damn good ones too! We love coaches who are enthusiastic about teaching new folks, with a positive attitude, and we have many of them as regulars who not only coach, but do a ton of other things to help out. Honestly, if you don’t like the course and are complaining about it during the day…we rather just put you down as a different type of worker. The motivation for being a coach isn’t about whether you like the course or not.
I would love to see courses like this tried out at GGC, as long as they meet the safety precautions that we have to include due to legal reasons. I highly doubt any other club is under more scrutiny than ours. Does anyone have access to the course maps? Do they publish them ahead of time?
Charlie, this year has been great for retention. We have a far greater number of repeat new drivers this year, selling out all events so far. The main reason is the coaching and getting to know the new folks, not whether the course is slow or fast. Also, if there are better ways to set up a course for less confusion, we’d love to hear it (or just help set up the course in the morning). In the past, even many of the regulars were getting lost, these days a handful out of 100 is not so bad. The new drivers I coached last month were not lost. I need to sit in with the guy you are mentioning.
Also to be fair to Dave, I’ve done 40+ courses with GGC and many of them have been open and fast, though the last 3 have been pretty tight admittedly. I’m a fan of both slow and fast courses, more variety makes it a surprise each month. Since we do publish the course ahead of time, before cancellation, it’s very easy to just skip a course you don’t like. I’m not sure if other clubs even offer that option do they?
Brian, the right order is on the last column…not the order I copied it….(raw times)…
Sorry Jeff, that’s just my spreadsheet…I think Brian will have correct spelling!
I don’t live in SF, but if no one replies, have the announcer ask the crowd during lunch or something!
Oops, Jeff Cowan has 98 points, but the order is still the same:
Dave Dunwoodie 95 47.302 47.03599264 1
Jeff Cowan 98 48.536 48.50274579 3
Hal Dorton 106 48.897 49.5133122 4
Jack Yu 80 49.351 47.87282997 2
Brian Shadle 80 51.243 49.70816045 5
Athena Burke 98 51.799 51.76351016 6
Darrel Lunge 106 52.888 53.55461594 7
Jay Ferguson 106 54.279 54.96314852 8
Diane Dorton 106 54.972 55.66488329 9Dave Dunwoodie 95 47.302 47.03599264 1
Jeff Cowan 95 48.536 48.26305313 3
Hal Dortan 106 48.897 49.5133122 4
Jack Yu 80 49.351 47.87282997 2
Brian Shadle 80 51.243 49.70816045 5
Athena Burke 98 51.799 51.76351016 6
Darrel Lunge 106 52.888 53.55461594 7
Jay Ferguson 106 54.279 54.96314852 8
Diane Dorton 106 54.972 55.66488329 9